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DigitalForm · Oct 04, 2006, 09:35 PM // 21:35

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Originally Posted by Miss Eisei

i dont understand why anyone would want to run fat32 on a xp/w2k system
thats like running linux on a fat disk, its just wrong and stupid
and as for ppl stuck with win98, i feel sorry for u, but either u have such a crappy pc ur prolly better of not playing cause it looks so ugly and ur game takes forever to load, time to upgrade maybe ? , 98/ME is ancient and has no support anymore , i cant understand ppl complain about fat32/ntfs NOW, for the love of god, ntfs has been around forever, ive ALWAYS used it, just like i use ext3 on my linux box, and FYI M$ is making a new fileformat so eventually NTFS will be outdated, time to get with the program guys, cause honestly, even if my new Bentley would run on old 98octan leaded fuel i wouldnt run it on it

NTFS is a better file system for reliability and from what I remember my teacher (.NET programmer and modeler)saying, it kind of "self heals" by checking to see if a data sector is "bad" before writing and keeping track of it's progress so it can undo and redo until it is ok. For a better idea look at http://technet2.microsoft.com/WindowsServer/en/library/8cc5891d-bf8e-4164-862d-dac5418c59481033.mspx?mfr=true
Start from the BOTTOM and scroll up until you hit the bold words "NTFS Change Journal". That part and the parts below it describe how it works. Well the whole thing does but it is kinda technical.

Another thing about old computers, you should back up ALL your important stuff regularily. I have an external 160GB drive that cost like $80 on sale. After a while I would start saving up money to buy/build a new computer. When I built mine, the technical papers I found for my motherboard said that it was rated at about 110,000 hours before random component failure was likely to occur. Things fail unexpectedly sometimes. With that being said, my mom's 333 K6-2 still runs fine.. slow but fine.

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Former Ruling · Oct 04, 2006, 09:52 PM // 21:52

To clear things up:
1) Minimum System requirements for any software should not even be given a second glance, Always go from the RECOMMENDED minimum requirements - taking into account that Processor speed (and RAM most of the time) can be alittle lower and not hurt much.

The "minimum" requirements are the lowest possible specs that they were able to execute the game from without fatal error. It ISN'T the lowest system that will actually play the game with normal amounts of lag or graphical problems (thats the recommended minimum).

2) "Big" in the hard drive terms used here, means basically anything over a few gigs (I'd say 4-5Gigs).

Remember, a decade ago 1 gig was HUGGEEEEEEEEEEE NEEEEWWWWWSS. We take for granted that we can get 50+ gigs now even on the cheapest computers.

juncmodule · Oct 05, 2006, 02:33 AM // 02:33

I found this sort of interesting:

Quote from Gaile Gray:

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I was asked about this earlier, and here's the official response from Mike O'Brien: The full Gw.dat file size is currently about 2.7 GB. Anyone whose Gw.dat file is larger than that is suffering from an old bug where space wasn't being reused efficiently. That bug was fixed in March. People with larger Gw.dat files should see them stay the same or slowly shrink over time.

Now, more info for you: If you want to, you are welcome to delete and pull a completely new .dat file. But keep in mind that if you do this, you will be downloading a lot of files, and that each time you join a mission you'll need to fetch a new map. So doing this is up to you. Reacquiring the GW.dat file will reduce the size of the file right away and by a considerable amount, if that is a goal that you feel is important. It will, however, take a bit of time and trouble on your part, and you may choose to stick with what you have, knowing it will adjust for size over time.

I hope this helps!

Basically, this means FAT32 is not really a problem, just a huge inconvenience

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Hope that helps solve your problems/worries.

later,
-junc

TreeDude · Oct 05, 2006, 04:53 AM // 04:53

I use -image for all my updates. My dat file is 5.6gigs. Thats every file GW has to offer, fully decompressed. I highly doubt thats a bug.

Mushroom · Oct 05, 2006, 07:35 PM // 19:35

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Originally Posted by Former Ruling

Remember, a decade ago 1 gig was HUGGEEEEEEEEEEE NEEEEWWWWWSS. We take for granted that we can get 50+ gigs now even on the cheapest computers.

Every time new hardware comes out, there is new software to take advantage of it. Every time this happens, the bar is moved up a bit more for the next generation of hardware and software.

In 1992, I built myself a "Super System", and everybody told me I was insane. I spent $1,000 for a 700 MB SCSI-II hard drive, $400 for 8 MB of RAM, and installed 3 CD-ROM drives. I even went all-out and got a SVGA card with 512 KB RAM, and the fastest processor available at the time, the Intel 80486 DX 50. It was an incredible system for the time (@ $2,500), but 3 years later it was sluggish running Win95.

Uncountable upgrades later, I am now with a Socket 939 Athlon 3500, Radeon 9550 256MB video card, and 1 GB RAM. My system has more RAM then my "super system" of a decade before had in hard drive capacity. My CPU has a larger cache then my old video card had in RAM. And I am planning my next upgrade in the near future.

Any time you want to play high-ended games, you need to keep up with the technology. It was not that long ago that an 8 MB video card was enough for most games, and most software was shipped on floppy disk. I simply can't imagine anybody being happy trying to play GW on anything less then a 1.5 GHz system with a 128 MB video card and XP.

h0l0cau5to · Nov 14, 2006, 11:24 AM // 11:24

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Originally Posted by Tarun

h0l0cau5to, no you do not. You enter the above in a cmd window; it then has your computer reboot and can take anywhere from a minute to thirty minutes (depending on the drives age, RPM, amount of data, etc etc.)

sorry for bringing this up again, but i just want to know this: my drive is partitioned and the partition that has windows on it is currently FAT32 and the "crap" partition is NTFS. (big mistake i know) i'd just like to know if i use that comand in cmd, will it be any problem, cause i don't want to mess up the files in any of the partitons...

thanks in advance

h0l0cau5to · Nov 17, 2006, 07:35 PM // 19:35

i don't know if i am alowed to bump, so here it goes:

BUMP

plz help

Liberations · Nov 18, 2006, 02:00 AM // 02:00

My GW.dat file is still about 1.8 gb memory since it came out. the NF requirements say 3gb. Strange huh? Also, I have no idea what either of those are or what they relate to.

Kuldebar Valiturus · Nov 18, 2006, 03:30 AM // 03:30

Well, I have had the game install about 14-16 months now and my GW.DAT file is at 3.92 GB. Also, I did a -image last week.

I certainly am not going to delete the DAT and download just to lose a gig or so.

I am running NTFS, there's really no legitimate reason not to use it unless there is some hardware limitation which would probably preclude you from running the game in the first place.

Guild Wars really has some modest spec requirements when it comes to running well. You get more performance bang for you buck with Guild Wars compared to WoW.

BlueNovember · Nov 18, 2006, 05:12 PM // 17:12

I have GW installed on a fat32 "games" partition. It's naiive to pressume there's "no reason" to do so; when I boot to my linux distro it uses games from the fat32 partition.
(Linux NTFS write drivers are still flaky)

Just thought I'd correct all the M$ fanboys.

Bane of Worlds · Nov 18, 2006, 05:15 PM // 17:15

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Originally Posted by TreeDude

I use -image for all my updates. My dat file is 5.6gigs. Thats every file GW has to offer, fully decompressed. I highly doubt thats a bug.

If you own Nightfall then try to install it from the 3 CDs or 1 DVD(if you own NF CE) and you should have a file size of 2.88 GB as of Nov18(this is what my gw.dat file size is atm and during of the halloween event the file size was 2.77GB). You could also just physically move the gw.dat file from the DVD and have it load the updates(I done this).Don't leave game client in -image in a single setting as it actually yields a larger size but periodically load an area to "see" game client use the space efficiently. You'll actually see the gw.dat file decrease and not just get larger as the game client is writing over the outdated files and not just adding to .dat file. Also, try to go to your program folder and physically delete the old gw.date file.

---Follower of Grenth

Gneppe · Nov 18, 2006, 05:21 PM // 17:21

Guys im noob at this.
But i just right clicked my laptops C: and under properties it says it's NTFS.
Ive always have bugs in my gw on my laptop. I then looked on my Gw.dat (which i used the -image on)
And it says 4.267.623 kb.
Am i screwed?
What can i do?

Kuldebar Valiturus · Nov 18, 2006, 06:36 PM // 18:36

Quote:

Originally Posted by BlueNovember

I have GW installed on a fat32 "games" partition. It's naiive to pressume there's "no reason" to do so; when I boot to my linux distro it uses games from the fat32 partition.
(Linux NTFS write drivers are still flaky)

Just thought I'd correct all the M$ fanboys.

You don't have the average setup. Most peeps here are referring to a standard Windows XP OS setup, no fanboyism about it. Chances are that peeps that don't know what NTFS is probably don't run dual OS'es either.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gneppe

Guys im noob at this.
But i just right clicked my laptops C: and under properties it says it's NTFS.
Ive always have bugs in my gw on my laptop. I then looked on my Gw.dat (which i used the -image on)
And it says 4.267.623 kb.
Am i screwed?
What can i do?

Why would you be screwed? Your laptop is using the latest and MS recommended file system available to an end-user? My PC is 3 2.5 years old and I have still have 50 gigs free on the hard drive, I bet your laptop has plenty of space, too. But, if not, it's not that hard to save space.

This is a free, trustworthy and handy utility for doing some spring cleaning on a PC that's been running a while on the same install:

CCleaner

Also, the CCleaner forums have a lot of information about software and hardware issues.

You should always be very careful about downloading free-ware/shareware software, especially utilities because they are a well known vector for malicious code.

Having said, that some of the best free utilities for your PC are free-ware.

Spybot Search & Destroy, for example.

Anyway, knowledge is the best protection. Sometimes Googling the name of a program and browsing the hits, asking in tech forums, word of mouth are all a great way to determine it's effectiveness and safety.

Just be careful and don't jump into things before you know more about it.

aeroclown · Nov 19, 2006, 02:01 AM // 02:01

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Originally Posted by Rafal

Its not strange, because: My PC has two HDDs: 3GB and 20GB - I dont need more space due to proper archiving of my work. GW is the only game I play. Even with all projects on HDD I still have 4-5GB free HDD space.

Yes, I have XP, but why should I change? I would like to use still FAT32 and it is still supported (as long as 98/ME systems are supported). I never had any problems with it and never had to do something weird due to problems (like reinstaling Windows two times a year).

what do you classify as proper archiving ? Not all file and data formats benefit from the archiving methods available. Files that are accessed frequently have no good reason to be archived. Because Let me tell you, as an animator, I can eat a 100gb hard drive in a week and archiving has nothing to do with it.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rafal

Yes, I have XP, but why should I change? I would like to use still FAT32 and it is still supported (as long as 98/ME systems are supported). I never had any problems with it and never had to do something weird due to problems (like reinstaling Windows two times a year).

Windows 98, Me, and soon to be 2000 are unsupported, this mean that the vendor will no longer process patches of any kind including but not limited to Critical security patches. As Such users who continue to use Version of Window <= XP will slowly become part of the active and existing Internet Security Threats. You have left yourself open to exploits that have been patched in newer revisions of the software you are using. Continuing to run unsupported software will open you to more and more security holes in your revision of windows. This means your system can more easily be infected, transmit, and execute malicious code. Thus your data is more open to attack, mutilation, and theft.

Well99 · Nov 19, 2006, 02:52 AM // 02:52

Wow I have fat 32 (XP)and it works fine.I can run old games on my comp and that works for me.I have run NTFS before and didnt like it.Older version.
All 3 GW games are loaded and it works like a charm.Miss my 286...Not!

Shady Rome · Nov 19, 2006, 02:56 AM // 02:56

Get a new harddrive... 300gb is like 120quid? lol.. harddrive are cheap.

Well99 · Nov 19, 2006, 03:00 AM // 03:00

I will when I build next machine but I have plenty of space.Yup they are a whole lot cheaper..makes it nice..lol